291: The Industry Didn't Get Harder, Brokers Got Softer
In this episode, I discusses the evolution of brokering from the traditional methods I started with in 2009, to the modern and much easier use of social media, highlighting the lack of hustle and sense of entitlement I perceive among new brokers.
***
Visit www.iamryanwiley.com to stay up to date on all things Mortgage Game, learn more about Team Wiley, PLUS sign up for coaching, events, our newsletter, & more!
***
CONNECT WITH ME ON SOCIAL
📸 Ryan Wiley's Instagram: @iamryanwiley
🎵 Ryan Wiley's TikTok: @iamryanwiley
🔗 Ryan Wiley's LinkedIn: @RyanWiley
👤 Ryan Wiley's Facebook: @RyanWiley
***
00:00:06,110 --> 00:00:07,550
Welcome to the mortgage game.
2
00:00:07,810 --> 00:00:09,870
I truly, truly believe that
3
00:00:09,870 --> 00:00:13,370
building a mortgage business, a
successful one is like playing a
4
00:00:13,370 --> 00:00:13,510
game.
5
00:00:13,510 --> 00:00:15,050
There's winners, there's losers.
6
00:00:15,050 --> 00:00:16,410
There's certain things you try.
7
00:00:16,410 --> 00:00:18,110
Some of us are playing checkers
8
00:00:18,110 --> 00:00:19,910
while others are playing chess.
9
00:00:19,910 --> 00:00:22,410
I've had the ability to coach and
10
00:00:22,410 --> 00:00:23,570
mentor hundreds of mortgage
brokers.
11
00:00:23,570 --> 00:00:26,290
I myself built a very nice
business.
12
00:00:26,290 --> 00:00:29,570
So now I want to distill all that
information, all the things I've
13
00:00:29,810 --> 00:00:32,850
learned from that and bring it
directly to you in a simple to
14
00:00:32,850 --> 00:00:33,190
understand way.
15
00:00:33,190 --> 00:00:34,170
I hope you enjoy.
16
00:00:34,170 --> 00:00:34,940
All right.
17
00:00:34,940 --> 00:00:38,880
Welcome to the Mortgage Game
18
00:00:38,980 --> 00:00:39,460
Podcast.
19
00:00:39,460 --> 00:00:40,040
West Coast Whiteboard Wiley.
20
00:00:40,040 --> 00:00:43,040
Just keep adding on the names
there.
21
00:00:43,040 --> 00:00:45,280
Coming to you from the Dodge Ram
studio at the beach.
22
00:00:45,280 --> 00:00:46,220
It's 2 .15.
23
00:00:46,220 --> 00:00:48,500
I just discovered today I can do
24
00:00:48,700 --> 00:00:53,080
half decaf or two -third decaf or
one -third decaf lattes for the
25
00:00:53,080 --> 00:00:53,620
afternoon.
26
00:00:53,620 --> 00:00:54,180
Oh, my God.
27
00:00:54,180 --> 00:00:58,980
I was tired of drinking coffee in
the afternoon and your stomach
28
00:00:58,980 --> 00:00:59,340
feels off.
29
00:00:59,340 --> 00:01:01,040
But why can't we take so much
30
00:01:01,040 --> 00:01:03,300
caffeine in a day?
I feel like I've just hacked my
31
00:01:03,300 --> 00:01:03,460
life.
32
00:01:03,460 --> 00:01:03,680
That's amazing.
33
00:01:04,250 --> 00:01:06,910
So yeah, I'm a little behind the
times on some things.
34
00:01:07,150 --> 00:01:08,650
I'm at the beach and it's seven
above.
35
00:01:08,650 --> 00:01:12,450
There are three people in the
water, obviously doing like a cold
36
00:01:12,450 --> 00:01:17,890
type thing, but how cool is that?
It just makes me like I'm doing a
37
00:01:17,890 --> 00:01:20,350
podcast inside my truck and
they're on the beach.
38
00:01:20,350 --> 00:01:21,770
I don't know.
39
00:01:21,770 --> 00:01:23,550
I think they're going to feel
40
00:01:23,550 --> 00:01:25,230
better than I will after the
podcast.
41
00:01:26,190 --> 00:01:27,750
You know what I'm saying?
Okay, let's get into it.
42
00:01:27,750 --> 00:01:28,590
Probably be a quicker episode.
43
00:01:28,590 --> 00:01:29,350
I did this the beginning of
44
00:01:29,350 --> 00:01:32,100
training on one of a session
inside the team.
45
00:01:32,100 --> 00:01:34,580
And it was really I wanted to
illustrate.
46
00:01:34,580 --> 00:01:38,680
And I just thought, man, this is
so relevant for so many of us.
47
00:01:38,680 --> 00:01:39,360
I wrote down the whiteboard.
48
00:01:39,360 --> 00:01:40,940
I had probably 15, 17 different
49
00:01:41,040 --> 00:01:41,140
things.
50
00:01:41,140 --> 00:01:42,380
I said, I started brokering in
51
00:01:42,380 --> 00:01:42,520
2009.
52
00:01:42,520 --> 00:01:44,960
And I wrote down, like, where do I
53
00:01:44,960 --> 00:01:48,040
get my business from?
And I just wrote down, like, all
54
00:01:48,040 --> 00:01:48,780
the things.
55
00:01:49,540 --> 00:01:50,640
I brain dumped all.
56
00:01:50,760 --> 00:01:51,100
I went right back.
57
00:01:51,100 --> 00:01:52,220
It was like cold calling realtors.
58
00:01:52,220 --> 00:01:53,880
obviously cold calling sales
managers at brokerages it's not
59
00:01:53,880 --> 00:01:57,080
the owner of the brokerage you
want to talk to it's a sales
60
00:01:57,080 --> 00:02:02,220
manager because uh they have to
fill up lunch and learns for the
61
00:02:02,220 --> 00:02:03,940
people they have their finger on
the pulse of who's happy with the
62
00:02:03,940 --> 00:02:06,800
mortgage person who's not they'll
connect you with people like
63
00:02:06,800 --> 00:02:09,660
that's really the person you want
to connect with so i was cold
64
00:02:09,660 --> 00:02:12,520
calling them and i was coming in
presenting stuff to them and i
65
00:02:12,520 --> 00:02:15,240
just hey can i come and sit in the
office and i'd show up and sit in
66
00:02:15,240 --> 00:02:17,120
the office i'd bring donuts with
business cards like saying it out
67
00:02:17,120 --> 00:02:19,040
loud just sounds so cheesy right
now we did trade shows did you
68
00:02:19,040 --> 00:02:19,660
know Car wraps and flyers and
street text.
69
00:02:19,660 --> 00:02:22,580
If you're old school, you know
what street text is.
70
00:02:22,580 --> 00:02:23,960
I was all in on that stuff.
71
00:02:23,960 --> 00:02:25,680
Like there was 15, 17 things,
72
00:02:25,680 --> 00:02:30,900
networking groups, dinner clubs, B
&I, Toastmasters, book club.
73
00:02:30,900 --> 00:02:33,280
Like I'm just off topic,
advertising, paid ads.
74
00:02:33,280 --> 00:02:33,720
I bought leads.
75
00:02:33,720 --> 00:02:35,780
I paid to go into dentist offices.
76
00:02:35,780 --> 00:02:40,300
and some other bullshit thing
where you're just like you're up
77
00:02:40,460 --> 00:02:46,700
on a computer screen and they get
you hooked in for like 200 a month
78
00:02:46,700 --> 00:02:51,380
for six months or something like
that but moral of the story is I
79
00:02:51,380 --> 00:02:54,900
was out hustling my ass off it was
2009 and that was the option right
80
00:02:54,900 --> 00:02:56,700
it wasn't connecting with uh
center of influence people and
81
00:02:56,700 --> 00:02:59,860
like it's just go go go go it's
like you're outside you're out of
82
00:02:59,860 --> 00:03:02,480
the house doing things you're on
your phone putting yourself out
83
00:03:02,480 --> 00:03:06,380
there so that was brokering 2009.
84
00:03:06,380 --> 00:03:07,400
Brokering 2026, drastically
85
00:03:07,400 --> 00:03:07,760
different.
86
00:03:07,760 --> 00:03:10,340
But I will say this, you could go
87
00:03:10,340 --> 00:03:11,620
and do all those things I did.
88
00:03:11,620 --> 00:03:14,020
There was a, I wish I would have
89
00:03:14,020 --> 00:03:15,440
took a picture of this.
90
00:03:15,440 --> 00:03:17,180
Maybe I wrote down somewhere.
91
00:03:17,180 --> 00:03:17,980
17, 18 things.
92
00:03:17,980 --> 00:03:23,690
And a lot of them worked to some
93
00:03:23,690 --> 00:03:25,530
degree, but wasn't worth my time
and my money.
94
00:03:25,530 --> 00:03:28,770
The point I'm trying to make here
is you could broker old school
95
00:03:28,770 --> 00:03:31,090
like that and still get where you
want to go to some degree.
96
00:03:31,250 --> 00:03:33,830
But 2026, there's a new animal.
97
00:03:33,830 --> 00:03:35,710
There's a new beast in play that
98
00:03:35,710 --> 00:03:36,850
just takes all that away.
99
00:03:36,850 --> 00:03:38,070
I was spending time, money,
100
00:03:38,070 --> 00:03:38,370
showering, commuting.
101
00:03:38,370 --> 00:03:40,110
I don't mean like, cause I don't
102
00:03:40,110 --> 00:03:40,370
shower.
103
00:03:40,370 --> 00:03:42,390
It's more like that's time.
104
00:03:42,390 --> 00:03:43,790
Buying outfits to go out is time.
105
00:03:44,130 --> 00:03:45,890
Commuting, especially as in the
106
00:03:45,890 --> 00:03:48,500
GTA and you're going downtown,
you're walking through snow and
107
00:03:48,500 --> 00:03:49,660
you got different boots and
different shoes.
108
00:03:49,660 --> 00:03:53,560
Like all the pain in the ass
stuff.
109
00:03:53,560 --> 00:03:54,180
But I did it.
110
00:03:54,180 --> 00:03:56,640
And I built a business off of it.
111
00:03:56,640 --> 00:03:59,760
And that's all sitting in front of
you to go do now.
112
00:03:59,760 --> 00:04:03,520
But there's also like you can have
the front page ad in the biggest
113
00:04:03,520 --> 00:04:05,260
newspapers in the world for free
right now.
114
00:04:05,260 --> 00:04:05,980
And that's social media.
115
00:04:05,980 --> 00:04:08,260
And so there's a bunch of brokers.
116
00:04:08,260 --> 00:04:12,340
You've got the brokers who are
grew up back in that day and
117
00:04:12,340 --> 00:04:14,580
they're running off of their
database and you can't tell them
118
00:04:14,580 --> 00:04:16,440
to do social and blah, blah, blah.
119
00:04:16,440 --> 00:04:18,180
And it's not worth a thing.
120
00:04:18,180 --> 00:04:19,140
And like they're they're
dinosaurs.
121
00:04:19,140 --> 00:04:20,380
They're freaking dinosaurs.
122
00:04:20,380 --> 00:04:21,760
They don't understand nor do they
123
00:04:21,760 --> 00:04:22,060
want to.
124
00:04:22,060 --> 00:04:24,340
So they just go do this old school
125
00:04:24,340 --> 00:04:24,540
thing.
126
00:04:24,540 --> 00:04:24,920
That's cool.
127
00:04:24,920 --> 00:04:25,580
I respect that.
128
00:04:25,580 --> 00:04:26,400
Go do it.
129
00:04:26,400 --> 00:04:27,880
You know, go off into the sunset,
retire.
130
00:04:27,880 --> 00:04:30,620
Then you have the middle people
who did that and now they're still
131
00:04:30,620 --> 00:04:33,660
around and they can still get by
on their database, their
132
00:04:34,140 --> 00:04:34,440
relationships.
133
00:04:34,440 --> 00:04:36,120
They know the backside of their
134
00:04:36,120 --> 00:04:37,080
head, the side of their brain.
135
00:04:37,080 --> 00:04:38,720
They know they should be doing.
136
00:04:38,760 --> 00:04:41,440
something on social, but they also
have preconceived notions and they
137
00:04:41,440 --> 00:04:43,360
don't want to go into social.
138
00:04:43,360 --> 00:04:44,440
And then they think sometimes
139
00:04:44,440 --> 00:04:46,300
they're better than social.
140
00:04:46,300 --> 00:04:48,340
And then they think, oh, it looks
141
00:04:48,340 --> 00:04:48,700
desperate.
142
00:04:48,700 --> 00:04:52,780
And then I got to put myself out
143
00:04:52,780 --> 00:04:53,040
there.
144
00:04:53,040 --> 00:04:55,020
And then what are people going to
145
00:04:55,020 --> 00:04:56,700
say?
And I've never had to do that
146
00:04:56,700 --> 00:04:58,960
before and blah, blah, blah.
147
00:04:58,960 --> 00:05:00,600
And their business could be so
148
00:05:00,600 --> 00:05:02,440
much better, but they don't want
to go on social.
149
00:05:02,440 --> 00:05:05,380
So they'll sit and live off of
their old stuff and they'll ride
150
00:05:05,420 --> 00:05:05,660
the waves.
151
00:05:05,660 --> 00:05:07,040
Right now it's a good wave because
152
00:05:07,040 --> 00:05:08,440
there's renewal calls coming in.
153
00:05:08,440 --> 00:05:09,320
And if you're decent at converting
154
00:05:09,400 --> 00:05:11,040
renewal calls, your pipeline is
pretty full, but then that's going
155
00:05:11,100 --> 00:05:11,440
to go away.
156
00:05:11,440 --> 00:05:12,800
OK, but so you got those brokers,
157
00:05:12,820 --> 00:05:15,680
the old school dinosaurs, the ones
in between where if I was
158
00:05:15,680 --> 00:05:17,580
brokering, I'd be in that in
between spot.
159
00:05:17,580 --> 00:05:20,080
And then you have new brokers who
have come in play in the last
160
00:05:20,080 --> 00:05:20,840
three, four years.
161
00:05:20,840 --> 00:05:21,440
Post COVID.
162
00:05:21,440 --> 00:05:24,980
And these brokers are sitting here
going, hey, I'm trying to get some
163
00:05:25,020 --> 00:05:25,760
traction.
164
00:05:25,760 --> 00:05:26,380
I'm trying to do this.
165
00:05:26,380 --> 00:05:28,140
And 2021 had low interest rates.
166
00:05:28,140 --> 00:05:29,480
Early 22 had low interest rates.
167
00:05:29,760 --> 00:05:31,680
So everyone thought they were
better than they were as a broker
168
00:05:31,680 --> 00:05:33,040
because it was just easy to close
deals.
169
00:05:33,040 --> 00:05:34,440
This podcast is brought to you by
Pistachio Latte.
170
00:05:34,440 --> 00:05:35,780
One pump, by the way, not too
sweet.
171
00:05:37,060 --> 00:05:39,100
So now they're sitting here going,
okay.
172
00:05:39,100 --> 00:05:41,260
And so this is me saying to you,
you have the ability to run
173
00:05:41,260 --> 00:05:41,320
social.
174
00:05:41,320 --> 00:05:42,400
That costs you $0.
175
00:05:42,400 --> 00:05:46,420
You can do in your underwear, in
your pajamas, in your house, one
176
00:05:46,420 --> 00:05:47,560
hour a day, 90 minutes a day,
including prospecting.
177
00:05:47,560 --> 00:05:49,120
You can go build this glorious
business through social.
178
00:05:49,120 --> 00:05:57,310
And I sit here and I talk about it
and I show it and I watch people.
179
00:05:57,310 --> 00:06:00,410
And I want, and I'm not even
saying on my team, I just watch
180
00:06:00,410 --> 00:06:02,170
people and I see what they're
doing.
181
00:06:02,170 --> 00:06:06,810
And they've got this, like, the
answer is right there in front of
182
00:06:06,810 --> 00:06:10,070
you and you know it, but you don't
know it.
183
00:06:10,370 --> 00:06:12,490
And then you're off here, you're
off there.
184
00:06:12,490 --> 00:06:16,270
It's like, if you built everything
you had around social, if that's
185
00:06:16,270 --> 00:06:20,430
what you do is you built a brand
there, everything comes off it.
186
00:06:20,430 --> 00:06:23,550
And the old school way of thinking
on this or the negative side of
187
00:06:23,550 --> 00:06:25,150
this, where people just aren't
connecting the dots, right?
188
00:06:25,150 --> 00:06:25,810
Is they're saying.
189
00:06:25,810 --> 00:06:27,850
But how do I get deals on there
190
00:06:27,970 --> 00:06:30,630
and it doesn't work?
And I, yeah, it's so much more
191
00:06:30,630 --> 00:06:30,950
than that.
192
00:06:30,950 --> 00:06:31,810
So much more than that.
193
00:06:31,810 --> 00:06:33,250
You building something on social
will bring referral partners to
194
00:06:33,410 --> 00:06:33,730
you.
195
00:06:33,730 --> 00:06:35,970
They will literally come to you.
196
00:06:35,970 --> 00:06:38,450
You do not have to prospect them.
197
00:06:38,450 --> 00:06:39,870
It will give you this amount of
198
00:06:40,110 --> 00:06:44,430
people that are engaging with your
content that you can just then
199
00:06:44,430 --> 00:06:44,930
reach out.
200
00:06:44,930 --> 00:06:46,690
Remember, you have to be social on
201
00:06:46,690 --> 00:06:46,950
social.
202
00:06:46,950 --> 00:06:48,310
You can't just throw stuff off and
203
00:06:48,310 --> 00:06:50,330
go, where are the deals?
Where are they coming?
204
00:06:50,330 --> 00:06:51,130
It doesn't work like that.
205
00:06:51,130 --> 00:06:52,490
Much like when you leave your
206
00:06:52,490 --> 00:06:56,610
house to go out and join
networking groups and go put
207
00:06:56,610 --> 00:06:57,290
yourself in front.
208
00:06:57,290 --> 00:06:59,930
Like you have to knock on the
209
00:07:00,130 --> 00:07:00,290
door.
210
00:07:00,290 --> 00:07:01,730
And I did door knocking, by the
211
00:07:01,730 --> 00:07:02,170
way, with realtors.
212
00:07:02,170 --> 00:07:03,390
You have to go.
213
00:07:03,390 --> 00:07:05,970
And that's the worst thing I've
ever done in my life.
214
00:07:05,970 --> 00:07:08,190
Like I was like, what am I doing
right now?
215
00:07:08,330 --> 00:07:08,870
Don't want to do this.
216
00:07:08,870 --> 00:07:10,630
Get me out of here.
217
00:07:10,630 --> 00:07:11,090
Fuck this.
218
00:07:11,090 --> 00:07:11,810
I'm better than this.
219
00:07:11,930 --> 00:07:12,910
I'm better than door knocking.
220
00:07:12,910 --> 00:07:13,370
I'm just saying.
221
00:07:13,650 --> 00:07:15,060
If you door knock, mad respect.
222
00:07:15,060 --> 00:07:16,160
Maybe I'm not better than it.
223
00:07:16,160 --> 00:07:18,720
It's just I don't want to do it.
224
00:07:18,720 --> 00:07:20,280
I know there's things I want to do
225
00:07:20,280 --> 00:07:21,700
and that's not one of them.
226
00:07:21,700 --> 00:07:22,680
And so you've got the ability to
227
00:07:22,780 --> 00:07:24,380
go build any type of business you
want.
228
00:07:24,380 --> 00:07:26,480
And if you've started in the last
three, four years and you are not
229
00:07:26,480 --> 00:07:28,740
committed to social media every
single day, I just go, why?
230
00:07:28,740 --> 00:07:30,240
And this is what it comes down to.
231
00:07:30,240 --> 00:07:32,540
I've talked to many people about
232
00:07:32,540 --> 00:07:32,680
this.
233
00:07:32,680 --> 00:07:35,880
There is a sense of entitlement in
234
00:07:35,880 --> 00:07:39,760
our industry of people coming in
thinking they can.
235
00:07:39,760 --> 00:07:41,890
drive Uber and do this job,
thinking they can do XYZ other job
236
00:07:41,890 --> 00:07:43,830
and do this job, thinking it's a
hobby and not a career, thinking
237
00:07:43,830 --> 00:07:47,170
that they can just come in as a
side project, a side hustle, and
238
00:07:47,170 --> 00:07:47,930
make all this money.
239
00:07:47,930 --> 00:07:49,310
And I'm here to tell you, you
240
00:07:49,430 --> 00:07:51,130
could not be more dead wrong.
241
00:07:51,130 --> 00:07:53,510
There's this sense of entitlement,
242
00:07:53,510 --> 00:07:58,090
much like there are with younger
kids right now, where they're not
243
00:07:58,090 --> 00:08:00,310
hungry and earning things and
they're soft and they're coming
244
00:08:00,310 --> 00:08:00,590
in.
245
00:08:00,870 --> 00:08:02,710
Like we know this society, we're
246
00:08:02,710 --> 00:08:03,510
feeling it.
247
00:08:03,510 --> 00:08:08,190
It's coming up through the ranks.
248
00:08:08,190 --> 00:08:11,870
Well, the people coming in our
industry now, who are not hustling
249
00:08:11,870 --> 00:08:13,650
on social, it's like the nerve of
you.
250
00:08:13,650 --> 00:08:15,570
What did you think was going to
happen?
251
00:08:15,570 --> 00:08:18,650
Your business right now is where
it is because of those efforts or
252
00:08:18,650 --> 00:08:19,410
lack thereof.
253
00:08:19,410 --> 00:08:21,190
So this sense of entitlement that
254
00:08:21,190 --> 00:08:24,550
I just feel in my bones when I
talk to people where they're like,
255
00:08:24,550 --> 00:08:27,310
they think it's easier than it
actually is.
256
00:08:27,310 --> 00:08:29,250
I'm kind of like, like F you in
the nicest way.
257
00:08:29,250 --> 00:08:32,690
Like I look, I wrote down what I
did growing up in this industry
258
00:08:32,690 --> 00:08:33,470
and it's a hustle.
259
00:08:33,630 --> 00:08:34,970
You are out there building it,
260
00:08:34,970 --> 00:08:37,169
getting told no nine times out of
10 easily.
261
00:08:37,169 --> 00:08:38,900
You are trying different things.
262
00:08:38,900 --> 00:08:41,700
You are leaving the house and
263
00:08:41,700 --> 00:08:43,200
coming back nine hours later.
264
00:08:43,200 --> 00:08:44,260
You are on the phone.
265
00:08:44,260 --> 00:08:48,540
If you're not on the phone, like
you're doing all these things.
266
00:08:48,540 --> 00:08:51,160
And then now to come in.
267
00:08:51,400 --> 00:08:54,200
And if this ability that if social
268
00:08:54,200 --> 00:08:58,000
media was around when I started my
career, I wouldn't have this
269
00:08:58,000 --> 00:08:58,200
podcast.
270
00:08:58,200 --> 00:08:59,820
I wouldn't have a mortgage team.
271
00:08:59,820 --> 00:09:00,920
I'd be on an island.
272
00:09:00,920 --> 00:09:03,420
I'd be burying money in the sand.
273
00:09:03,420 --> 00:09:07,180
I would have just jumped in full
force into social, much like I'm
274
00:09:07,180 --> 00:09:09,340
full force into social now.
275
00:09:09,340 --> 00:09:12,800
And I'd be like, oh my God, don't
276
00:09:12,800 --> 00:09:13,560
tell anyone.
277
00:09:13,560 --> 00:09:15,800
Do not tell anyone about this
278
00:09:15,800 --> 00:09:17,620
because this works crazy.
279
00:09:17,620 --> 00:09:20,100
I'd be printing money because I
280
00:09:20,100 --> 00:09:22,500
would have been 15, 16 years in
the game.
281
00:09:22,680 --> 00:09:24,680
Would have been printing money.
282
00:09:24,840 --> 00:09:25,120
I wouldn't have started.
283
00:09:25,120 --> 00:09:26,000
I wouldn't have like left.
284
00:09:26,000 --> 00:09:28,440
I would have just stayed doing
285
00:09:28,440 --> 00:09:29,740
that, but I didn't.
286
00:09:29,740 --> 00:09:31,580
And so now you have the
287
00:09:31,580 --> 00:09:32,420
opportunity to go print money.
288
00:09:32,420 --> 00:09:33,920
You have the opportunity to build
289
00:09:33,920 --> 00:09:35,860
this amazing brand where people
literally come to you.
290
00:09:35,980 --> 00:09:38,140
Every discovery call you have is
way easier because everyone's
291
00:09:38,140 --> 00:09:39,780
indoctrinated from your content.
292
00:09:39,780 --> 00:09:41,360
Referral partners are going to
293
00:09:41,360 --> 00:09:42,880
reach out to you.
294
00:09:43,060 --> 00:09:44,980
Or when you reach out and go, hey,
295
00:09:45,200 --> 00:09:46,760
I noticed you've been tracking
along my content.
296
00:09:47,560 --> 00:09:51,860
I'm wondering if it makes sense
for us to jump on a call, figure
297
00:09:52,080 --> 00:09:53,520
out a win -win here.
298
00:09:53,520 --> 00:09:55,160
You've got to see me in action on
299
00:09:55,160 --> 00:09:55,520
my socials.
300
00:09:55,680 --> 00:09:56,560
What do you think?
301
00:09:56,560 --> 00:09:58,160
Drastically different than you
cold calling a realtor, catching
302
00:09:58,160 --> 00:10:00,250
them on the way to a listing.
303
00:10:00,250 --> 00:10:02,710
Hey, I wanted to show you all
304
00:10:02,710 --> 00:10:04,350
these things I do.
305
00:10:04,350 --> 00:10:05,210
Communication commitment.
306
00:10:05,210 --> 00:10:08,010
And they're like, who are you?
What are you doing?
307
00:10:08,010 --> 00:10:09,010
Leave me alone.
308
00:10:09,010 --> 00:10:11,090
Stop selling me shit.
309
00:10:11,090 --> 00:10:12,430
It's way different.
310
00:10:12,430 --> 00:10:13,650
Your world opens up.
311
00:10:13,650 --> 00:10:14,790
The doors open up.
312
00:10:14,790 --> 00:10:18,430
So I sit back here and this is
313
00:10:18,430 --> 00:10:19,330
where I get really irritated.
314
00:10:19,330 --> 00:10:20,750
I saw what I went through growing
315
00:10:20,750 --> 00:10:20,870
up.
316
00:10:20,990 --> 00:10:22,730
I see what my colleagues went
317
00:10:22,730 --> 00:10:22,990
through.
318
00:10:22,990 --> 00:10:24,330
And the amount of energy and
319
00:10:24,330 --> 00:10:26,490
effort, the blood, sweat and tears
we put in to building our
320
00:10:26,490 --> 00:10:26,590
business.
321
00:10:26,590 --> 00:10:28,260
And then I fast forward to today
322
00:10:28,260 --> 00:10:29,920
and I see what people are doing
now.
323
00:10:29,920 --> 00:10:34,120
And it's like, oh, my God, what
did you think was going to happen?
324
00:10:34,120 --> 00:10:35,640
Why do you think you made X amount
of money?
325
00:10:35,640 --> 00:10:36,740
What's this magic pill you're
looking for?
326
00:10:36,740 --> 00:10:38,820
What's the shortcut you're looking
for?
327
00:10:38,820 --> 00:10:42,140
What's the thing you're going to
do that's going to bring in
328
00:10:42,140 --> 00:10:44,620
predictable revenue, sustainable
growth, organic leads, because
329
00:10:44,620 --> 00:10:46,000
leads solves all problems.
330
00:10:46,000 --> 00:10:47,920
We talked about this on another
331
00:10:48,120 --> 00:10:48,740
coaching call.
332
00:10:48,740 --> 00:10:49,880
Everyone's putting so much weight
333
00:10:49,880 --> 00:10:52,600
into so many files because it's
all they have.
334
00:10:52,600 --> 00:10:54,340
The pipeline's dry or not as full
as it should be.
335
00:10:54,340 --> 00:10:59,920
So you're putting so much pressure
on all these things and you end up
336
00:10:59,920 --> 00:11:03,640
actually grasping at straws and
working on files you should not be
337
00:11:03,640 --> 00:11:04,280
working on.
338
00:11:04,280 --> 00:11:06,180
And then you spin your wheels and
339
00:11:06,180 --> 00:11:09,700
you get frustrated and then it's
not your fault, it's someone
340
00:11:09,980 --> 00:11:10,600
else's.
341
00:11:10,600 --> 00:11:11,900
If you just put all that energy
342
00:11:12,140 --> 00:11:16,390
into building a brand on social to
the people you want to appeal to,
343
00:11:16,390 --> 00:11:16,890
problem solved.
344
00:11:16,890 --> 00:11:17,370
Problem solved.
345
00:11:17,510 --> 00:11:18,370
I'm living proof.
346
00:11:18,370 --> 00:11:19,790
I had no social.
347
00:11:19,790 --> 00:11:20,530
I have social.
348
00:11:20,530 --> 00:11:22,230
Most of the things I have right
349
00:11:22,230 --> 00:11:25,570
now are from this podcast and
social.
350
00:11:25,570 --> 00:11:29,290
If I was brokering, I would just
copy that.
351
00:11:29,290 --> 00:11:30,530
I've laid the blueprint out 18
times.
352
00:11:31,260 --> 00:11:34,800
It would be at minimum one reel a
day across the platforms, a
353
00:11:34,800 --> 00:11:36,820
YouTube channel, a podcast, short
form.
354
00:11:36,820 --> 00:11:38,180
I'd have VAs chopping and slicing
and dicing stuff.
355
00:11:38,340 --> 00:11:39,400
It'd be out there.
356
00:11:39,400 --> 00:11:40,980
And that would be one, two hours a
357
00:11:40,980 --> 00:11:42,540
day of what I would do.
358
00:11:42,540 --> 00:11:43,960
And then I would outsource my
359
00:11:43,960 --> 00:11:45,520
underwriting and fulfillment or
just fulfillment.
360
00:11:45,520 --> 00:11:46,160
I would do that.
361
00:11:46,160 --> 00:11:47,520
I would take the calls and
362
00:11:47,520 --> 00:11:51,020
eventually I would get someone
doing the calls and I would just
363
00:11:51,020 --> 00:11:52,340
be a brand that's building this
up.
364
00:11:52,340 --> 00:11:55,780
So I know that's a big plan, but
there's a version of that that's
365
00:11:55,780 --> 00:11:58,320
sitting there for everybody.
366
00:11:58,320 --> 00:12:01,210
So to sit there and go, this is
367
00:12:01,210 --> 00:12:01,550
hard.
368
00:12:01,970 --> 00:12:02,570
It's not hard.
369
00:12:02,570 --> 00:12:03,250
We choose our heart.
370
00:12:03,250 --> 00:12:04,070
I've mentioned that before.
371
00:12:04,070 --> 00:12:08,270
Someone told me that the other
day, it reminded me and I was
372
00:12:08,530 --> 00:12:09,750
like, oh, I love that.
373
00:12:09,750 --> 00:12:11,790
We choose our heart.
374
00:12:11,790 --> 00:12:16,470
You making videos on your phone
where you don't have to leave your
375
00:12:16,470 --> 00:12:16,850
house.
376
00:12:17,030 --> 00:12:18,890
Talking about stuff you're
377
00:12:19,070 --> 00:12:19,830
supposedly good at.
378
00:12:19,830 --> 00:12:20,910
You supposedly care about.
379
00:12:20,910 --> 00:12:22,690
You supposedly love doing.
380
00:12:22,690 --> 00:12:23,430
Being a mortgage broker.
381
00:12:23,430 --> 00:12:23,930
Helping people.
382
00:12:23,930 --> 00:12:25,030
Finding solutions.
383
00:12:25,030 --> 00:12:25,710
Showing them numbers.
384
00:12:25,710 --> 00:12:26,730
Talking them through scenarios.
385
00:12:26,730 --> 00:12:27,890
Holding their hands.
386
00:12:27,890 --> 00:12:28,210
Problem solving.
387
00:12:28,210 --> 00:12:32,730
This is all shit you supposedly,
and I'm using air quotes right
388
00:12:32,730 --> 00:12:33,630
now, you supposedly like doing.
389
00:12:33,630 --> 00:12:34,610
So show people that.
390
00:12:34,610 --> 00:12:35,290
Over and over and over.
391
00:12:35,290 --> 00:12:36,470
So just sit back and just the
392
00:12:36,470 --> 00:12:39,550
entitlement oozing out of you that
you could just come into this
393
00:12:39,550 --> 00:12:39,850
industry.
394
00:12:39,890 --> 00:12:41,510
The industry that I had blood,
395
00:12:41,510 --> 00:12:43,090
sweat and tears for.
396
00:12:43,090 --> 00:12:44,650
And still do.
397
00:12:44,650 --> 00:12:47,550
And come in and think you could
just recreate whatever this
398
00:12:48,730 --> 00:12:50,690
business thing is you want.
399
00:12:50,690 --> 00:12:53,070
A lot of people are, you're tying
400
00:12:53,070 --> 00:12:53,270
in like.
401
00:12:53,270 --> 00:12:54,030
online marketing and digital
402
00:12:54,030 --> 00:12:58,030
marketing and all the hustles you
see out there and make $10 ,000 a
403
00:12:58,030 --> 00:12:59,490
month passive income and this.
404
00:12:59,490 --> 00:12:59,910
You're like tying that in.
405
00:12:59,910 --> 00:13:02,710
It's blurring your vision about
this industry.
406
00:13:02,710 --> 00:13:05,990
This is the financial services
industry.
407
00:13:05,990 --> 00:13:08,570
You are a mortgage broker.
408
00:13:08,570 --> 00:13:10,270
You are licensed.
409
00:13:10,270 --> 00:13:16,290
You hold people's financial well
-being in the palm of your hand to
410
00:13:16,290 --> 00:13:16,950
some degree.
411
00:13:17,150 --> 00:13:18,390
This is big stuff.
412
00:13:18,390 --> 00:13:21,110
This isn't a hobby off the side of
your desk.
413
00:13:21,110 --> 00:13:22,590
This is real deal Holyfield stuff.
414
00:13:22,590 --> 00:13:25,850
So like act like it.
415
00:13:25,850 --> 00:13:30,930
And don't give me this, I'm part
-time, I'm working here between 10
416
00:13:30,930 --> 00:13:34,590
to 1, and I got here, and I got
the kid, and then the thing, and
417
00:13:35,430 --> 00:13:39,590
the thing, and I come over here,
and I go, but you're not.
418
00:13:39,590 --> 00:13:41,890
You're not a true professional
then.
419
00:13:41,890 --> 00:13:45,790
And the whole thing, the keys to
the castle, I told you, I'm
420
00:13:46,010 --> 00:13:47,030
getting into it here.
421
00:13:47,030 --> 00:13:49,990
This is like, I'm hoping, I
422
00:13:49,990 --> 00:13:51,130
actually don't care.
423
00:13:51,130 --> 00:13:53,050
This is going to offend some
424
00:13:53,050 --> 00:13:53,230
people.
425
00:13:53,230 --> 00:13:54,090
It is what it is.
426
00:13:54,090 --> 00:13:54,510
Whatever.
427
00:13:54,510 --> 00:13:55,570
Like, I don't know.
428
00:13:55,570 --> 00:13:56,450
I can't coddle everybody.
429
00:13:56,450 --> 00:13:59,430
And I sit here and go, like, the
430
00:13:59,430 --> 00:14:01,870
keys to the castle are right
there.
431
00:14:01,870 --> 00:14:04,170
They're right there and it's
social.
432
00:14:04,170 --> 00:14:08,290
And the ones who have leaned into
it, that I know, that have not
433
00:14:08,290 --> 00:14:09,450
stopped and have leaned into it.
434
00:14:09,450 --> 00:14:11,150
Ah, it's working.
435
00:14:11,150 --> 00:14:11,750
Go figure.
436
00:14:11,910 --> 00:14:12,770
No, shut the front door.
437
00:14:12,770 --> 00:14:13,110
It's working.
438
00:14:13,110 --> 00:14:15,750
So you do that and then you do
439
00:14:15,750 --> 00:14:16,150
stories.
440
00:14:16,930 --> 00:14:20,470
You do a reel a day and you do
441
00:14:20,470 --> 00:14:23,670
three stories a day and you do 10
opens where you open the people
442
00:14:23,670 --> 00:14:25,010
that are focusing on your content.
443
00:14:25,010 --> 00:14:26,570
You say thank you to all your new
444
00:14:26,590 --> 00:14:28,430
followers and you ask if they have
a mortgage question.
445
00:14:28,430 --> 00:14:32,530
and an email market to people, and
you ask for email addresses, you
446
00:14:32,830 --> 00:14:35,890
know, and you mind your database,
you do all that stuff, and it
447
00:14:35,890 --> 00:14:36,370
works?
What the hell?
448
00:14:36,370 --> 00:14:37,190
That's crazy talent.
449
00:14:37,470 --> 00:14:37,930
Go figure.
450
00:14:37,930 --> 00:14:38,690
Some people know what they're
talking about.
451
00:14:38,690 --> 00:14:41,690
But back to the social, like, at
what point, at what point does it
452
00:14:41,790 --> 00:14:44,490
take you waking up and just
realizing, like, what are the
453
00:14:44,630 --> 00:14:46,330
other options?
This is where I want you to start,
454
00:14:47,460 --> 00:14:48,760
like, playing around your head.
455
00:14:48,760 --> 00:14:50,280
This podcast is brought to you by
456
00:14:50,280 --> 00:14:50,880
Pustachio Latte.
457
00:14:51,420 --> 00:14:54,640
At what point do you like, what
458
00:14:54,640 --> 00:14:57,620
are the other options?
That's the conversation I always
459
00:14:57,840 --> 00:14:58,060
have.
460
00:14:58,060 --> 00:15:01,980
So if you don't want to do that
461
00:15:02,320 --> 00:15:05,160
because I don't like social,
whatever, I don't care what the
462
00:15:05,160 --> 00:15:05,480
reason is.
463
00:15:05,480 --> 00:15:06,260
You don't want to do it.
464
00:15:06,260 --> 00:15:07,880
What are the other options?
What are we doing?
465
00:15:07,880 --> 00:15:11,180
Are you going to go back to the
things I put on the whiteboard?
466
00:15:11,180 --> 00:15:12,040
The 2009 things?
Because those will work.
467
00:15:12,040 --> 00:15:12,760
You don't get leverage.
468
00:15:12,760 --> 00:15:13,380
You're out pounding the pavement.
469
00:15:13,380 --> 00:15:15,870
You're out putting yourself in
situations for rejection that.
470
00:15:16,030 --> 00:15:18,950
Just if you can't even go on
social, I don't know how you can
471
00:15:19,190 --> 00:15:19,270
do that.
472
00:15:19,270 --> 00:15:20,370
But it's like, then pick one.
473
00:15:20,670 --> 00:15:22,850
Then go do that.
474
00:15:22,850 --> 00:15:25,410
Build that business, the referral
475
00:15:25,410 --> 00:15:25,670
network.
476
00:15:25,670 --> 00:15:27,830
But you could build a referral
477
00:15:27,830 --> 00:15:28,630
network business through social.
478
00:15:28,850 --> 00:15:31,010
But I'm not saying you have to do
479
00:15:31,010 --> 00:15:31,130
social.
480
00:15:31,130 --> 00:15:33,070
Then go do the 2009 stuff.
481
00:15:33,070 --> 00:15:34,970
It still works.
482
00:15:34,970 --> 00:15:35,630
It will work.
483
00:15:35,630 --> 00:15:36,710
But you're not.
484
00:15:36,710 --> 00:15:37,210
You're not doing it.
485
00:15:37,210 --> 00:15:37,970
You're half -assing it.
486
00:15:37,970 --> 00:15:39,470
You're doing one video once in a
487
00:15:39,470 --> 00:15:44,070
while, two in a while, three in a
while.
488
00:15:44,070 --> 00:15:48,570
Are your videos better now than
they were three months ago?
489
00:15:48,570 --> 00:15:49,410
No, why not?
Why not?
490
00:15:49,530 --> 00:15:52,550
Back in the day, I would role play
my discovery call.
491
00:15:52,550 --> 00:15:53,630
I'd break it down.
492
00:15:53,850 --> 00:15:54,410
I'd script it out.
493
00:15:54,410 --> 00:15:54,850
I'd record it.
494
00:15:54,850 --> 00:15:55,470
I'd do it on my friends.
495
00:15:55,650 --> 00:15:57,070
I'd do it on colleagues.
496
00:15:57,330 --> 00:15:59,010
I'd do it on realtors.
497
00:15:59,010 --> 00:15:59,710
I'd do it in the household.
498
00:15:59,710 --> 00:16:00,530
I remember sitting in the shower,
499
00:16:00,530 --> 00:16:02,850
like just running through my
discovery call.
500
00:16:02,850 --> 00:16:06,650
Was my discovery call better 90
days later?
501
00:16:06,650 --> 00:16:07,530
100%, without a doubt.
502
00:16:08,670 --> 00:16:10,750
It was a very good discovery call.
503
00:16:10,750 --> 00:16:13,200
But I put a lot of work in.
504
00:16:13,200 --> 00:16:13,780
Much like social.
505
00:16:13,780 --> 00:16:15,600
My social now is better than it
was before.
506
00:16:15,600 --> 00:16:16,500
I'm just more comfortable on
camera.
507
00:16:17,080 --> 00:16:18,340
I've got the reps in.
508
00:16:18,340 --> 00:16:21,140
Picking up a camera and turning it
509
00:16:21,140 --> 00:16:22,600
on before seemed like a big task.
510
00:16:22,600 --> 00:16:25,820
I was like, oh God, do I really
511
00:16:25,820 --> 00:16:27,540
want to do this?
I don't.
512
00:16:27,540 --> 00:16:28,560
I really don't.
513
00:16:28,860 --> 00:16:31,360
But then someone told me, Ryan,
514
00:16:32,220 --> 00:16:35,260
everything you want is on the
other side of you turning the
515
00:16:35,630 --> 00:16:37,970
camera on and pressing click and
the I don't give a fuck muscle.
516
00:16:38,130 --> 00:16:38,690
Just work that up.
517
00:16:39,030 --> 00:16:40,190
I don't give a fuck.
518
00:16:40,190 --> 00:16:40,470
Boom, post.
519
00:16:40,470 --> 00:16:40,810
Boom, post.
520
00:16:40,810 --> 00:16:45,290
Everything you see of me on
social, if you follow me on
521
00:16:45,410 --> 00:16:47,990
Instagram or anywhere, 90 % of
that stuff, I don't want to post.
522
00:16:47,990 --> 00:16:48,690
I want to tweak.
523
00:16:48,690 --> 00:16:49,770
I want to make it better.
524
00:16:49,770 --> 00:16:51,010
I want to make the visual better.
525
00:16:51,110 --> 00:16:52,550
I want to put the hook better.
526
00:16:52,550 --> 00:16:54,550
And it's like, gah, gah, gah, gah,
gah.
527
00:16:54,550 --> 00:16:56,070
And I'm like, nope, I don't give a
fuck.
528
00:16:56,070 --> 00:16:56,390
Post.
529
00:16:56,390 --> 00:16:58,050
Let the chips fall where they
530
00:16:58,050 --> 00:16:58,310
fall.
531
00:16:58,310 --> 00:17:00,270
Let my people find me.
532
00:17:00,270 --> 00:17:03,270
Let the other people opt out
because they don't like my energy,
533
00:17:03,270 --> 00:17:03,630
my vibe, whatever.
534
00:17:03,630 --> 00:17:04,609
I don't care.
535
00:17:04,609 --> 00:17:05,730
I really don't care.
536
00:17:05,730 --> 00:17:08,790
And when I worked that muscle up,
537
00:17:08,790 --> 00:17:12,290
I was like, ah, and then I
realized everything I want in life
538
00:17:12,290 --> 00:17:14,750
is on the other side of that
camera and pressing post, pressing
539
00:17:14,750 --> 00:17:14,990
record.
540
00:17:14,990 --> 00:17:16,829
And I was like, wow.
541
00:17:16,829 --> 00:17:18,990
So I will, that's a trade -off
I'll make all day long.
542
00:17:18,990 --> 00:17:22,490
If I want to go build whatever I
want to build and I realized the
543
00:17:22,490 --> 00:17:23,930
fastest, quickest, most reliable
way is through social media.
544
00:17:23,930 --> 00:17:26,849
That's an easy trade -off for me
to make.
545
00:17:26,849 --> 00:17:29,140
I'm going to go do it all day
long.
546
00:17:29,140 --> 00:17:29,480
So now, now.
547
00:17:29,480 --> 00:17:31,640
My goal is becoming the best
548
00:17:31,640 --> 00:17:32,220
version of that.
549
00:17:32,220 --> 00:17:32,940
So now I learn.
550
00:17:32,940 --> 00:17:36,480
I don't really script a lot, but
it's like learn how to script,
551
00:17:36,480 --> 00:17:38,120
learn how to hooks, what
platforms, hold myself
552
00:17:38,120 --> 00:17:38,240
accountable.
553
00:17:38,240 --> 00:17:39,400
Then I get into that, but now that
554
00:17:39,400 --> 00:17:40,620
becomes just a pillar of my
business.
555
00:17:40,780 --> 00:17:41,220
It's a foundational piece in my
brand.
556
00:17:41,220 --> 00:17:43,500
And if I'm brokering, it's a
foundational piece in my business.
557
00:17:43,500 --> 00:17:45,080
So it has to be treated as such.
558
00:17:45,400 --> 00:17:47,700
There should be money spent on it,
559
00:17:47,700 --> 00:17:49,700
much like we spend money on
offices.
560
00:17:49,920 --> 00:17:52,440
And you spend money on commuting
and go train tickets and parking
561
00:17:52,440 --> 00:17:55,360
and lunches out and all that shit.
562
00:17:55,480 --> 00:17:57,720
It's part of the business.
563
00:17:57,720 --> 00:17:58,560
Much like every business has
expenses.
564
00:17:58,560 --> 00:18:00,260
Well, you should go towards
building your brand.
565
00:18:00,260 --> 00:18:02,820
Like, do you not think?
If you're not spending $500 ,000 a
566
00:18:02,820 --> 00:18:08,440
month on social stuff, I don't
know what to tell you.
567
00:18:08,440 --> 00:18:10,560
I don't know what to tell you.
568
00:18:10,720 --> 00:18:12,020
It tells me you're not going all
569
00:18:12,020 --> 00:18:13,100
in on this.
570
00:18:13,100 --> 00:18:14,140
It tells me you don't believe.
571
00:18:14,140 --> 00:18:15,800
There should be a version of what
you're spending.
572
00:18:15,800 --> 00:18:21,360
If someone editing, if someone AI
software, you have to do something
573
00:18:21,360 --> 00:18:22,900
or someone posting your stuff and
maybe it was a couple hundred
574
00:18:22,900 --> 00:18:23,040
bucks.
575
00:18:23,040 --> 00:18:25,740
You need to like, there's money
576
00:18:25,900 --> 00:18:27,520
allocated to this.
577
00:18:27,520 --> 00:18:29,060
It's the lifeline of your
578
00:18:29,060 --> 00:18:29,280
business.
579
00:18:29,280 --> 00:18:31,640
So it just intrigues me so much
580
00:18:31,640 --> 00:18:34,960
that, and this is where I love
how, I love to have this
581
00:18:34,960 --> 00:18:35,500
discussion with someone.
582
00:18:35,680 --> 00:18:36,320
Why not?
583
00:18:36,460 --> 00:18:38,060
What are the options?
Content or conversations?
584
00:18:38,060 --> 00:18:38,560
That's it.
585
00:18:38,680 --> 00:18:39,540
There's no other way.
586
00:18:39,540 --> 00:18:41,180
Paid ads, content, conversation.
587
00:18:41,180 --> 00:18:41,620
That's it.
588
00:18:41,820 --> 00:18:43,440
Those are the three ways.
589
00:18:43,440 --> 00:18:46,100
Not a lot of people are doing paid
590
00:18:46,100 --> 00:18:46,440
ads.
591
00:18:46,440 --> 00:18:48,340
So that's content and
592
00:18:48,460 --> 00:18:48,900
conversations.
593
00:18:48,900 --> 00:18:49,820
I keep going back to that.
594
00:18:49,820 --> 00:18:54,040
And so it was just interesting
when I mapped this out, it hit me
595
00:18:54,040 --> 00:18:58,940
because I had a call with two
agents who were not on my team.
596
00:18:58,940 --> 00:19:03,200
We got into it and it was just the
way that they were talking about
597
00:19:03,200 --> 00:19:07,500
their business is like, to me, it
was a punch in the gut.
598
00:19:07,500 --> 00:19:12,160
Being in the industry for so long,
I feel like I've helped bring this
599
00:19:12,160 --> 00:19:14,440
industry along in my own little
way.
600
00:19:14,440 --> 00:19:16,600
And I've been a part of it and
I've seen it.
601
00:19:16,600 --> 00:19:19,540
And then for you to come into this
industry and feel like that's what
602
00:19:19,540 --> 00:19:23,120
you're going to do and that's the
output you want, the expectations
603
00:19:23,120 --> 00:19:23,820
were so unrealistic.
604
00:19:24,380 --> 00:19:25,460
It was crazy.
605
00:19:25,700 --> 00:19:28,180
I went days without seeing my
girlfriend, fiance at the time,
606
00:19:28,180 --> 00:19:29,900
then eventually I went days.
607
00:19:29,900 --> 00:19:30,500
It was a sacrifice.
608
00:19:30,500 --> 00:19:31,540
Like, what's the sacrifice you're
making?
609
00:19:31,540 --> 00:19:32,960
What is the sacrifice?
I don't know.
610
00:19:32,960 --> 00:19:35,300
And are you throwing yourself into
social media?
611
00:19:35,460 --> 00:19:39,320
And if you don't believe that, you
have to believe in something.
612
00:19:39,320 --> 00:19:40,800
Because if you believe in nothing,
you'll fall for anything.
613
00:19:40,800 --> 00:19:47,980
So what do you believe in?
And this is I to map this out.
614
00:19:47,980 --> 00:19:51,420
What do I believe?
I believe, and it all boils down
615
00:19:51,420 --> 00:19:53,820
to, I want really good
relationships with people because
616
00:19:53,820 --> 00:19:54,360
that will refer business in.
617
00:19:54,360 --> 00:19:56,680
How am I going to go get those
618
00:19:56,680 --> 00:19:57,900
relationships?
Well, I'm going to reach out.
619
00:19:57,900 --> 00:20:00,340
How am I going to reach out and
build trust really quick?
620
00:20:00,340 --> 00:20:02,720
Well, I'm going to build social.
621
00:20:02,720 --> 00:20:03,780
People will watch that and then
622
00:20:03,780 --> 00:20:06,400
I'll reach out and then eventually
they'll reach out to me and then
623
00:20:06,400 --> 00:20:09,540
I'll feel if there's a contact
there and then I'll have good
624
00:20:09,660 --> 00:20:10,320
relationships and business will
come flowing in.
625
00:20:10,320 --> 00:20:13,700
So I decided to put a massive
priority on social media with an
626
00:20:13,700 --> 00:20:15,460
investment of time, energy, and
money.
627
00:20:15,460 --> 00:20:17,460
But I had to make sacrifices,
right?
628
00:20:17,460 --> 00:20:18,980
So I cut off other things.
629
00:20:18,980 --> 00:20:20,610
I devoted money to it and I
630
00:20:20,610 --> 00:20:23,490
devoted time outside of business
hours to learning the craft,
631
00:20:23,490 --> 00:20:24,270
learning things.
632
00:20:24,270 --> 00:20:25,650
People are like, Ryan, can you
633
00:20:25,650 --> 00:20:27,930
teach me how to green screen?
You too.
634
00:20:27,930 --> 00:20:36,290
What do you mean I teach you?
I can, but like YouTube, I learned
635
00:20:36,290 --> 00:20:40,510
in like 60 second video, like a
year and a bit ago.
636
00:20:40,510 --> 00:20:41,370
Like it's there.
637
00:20:41,670 --> 00:20:43,550
Everything you want in the
638
00:20:43,550 --> 00:20:47,680
universe is all within a couple
button clicks from you.
639
00:20:47,680 --> 00:20:47,920
Everything.
640
00:20:47,920 --> 00:20:48,740
Just sitting there.
641
00:20:48,740 --> 00:20:49,400
Access to knowledge.
642
00:20:49,500 --> 00:20:50,620
This is where I go once again, the
643
00:20:50,620 --> 00:20:50,740
entitlement.
644
00:20:50,740 --> 00:20:52,980
I'm like, we had none of this
645
00:20:52,980 --> 00:20:53,740
knowledge back then.
646
00:20:53,740 --> 00:20:55,760
We were just figuring it out.
647
00:20:55,760 --> 00:20:57,380
And right now you can make your
argument.
648
00:20:57,380 --> 00:20:58,200
There's too much information.
649
00:20:58,320 --> 00:20:59,060
So that's hard, Ryan.
650
00:20:59,220 --> 00:20:59,900
That's not hard.
651
00:20:59,900 --> 00:21:00,820
Let's choose our words right.
652
00:21:01,000 --> 00:21:03,980
Okay, so then I tell you, who do
you already know?
653
00:21:03,980 --> 00:21:06,400
Or who do you trust that has this
figured out?
654
00:21:06,400 --> 00:21:08,180
We all know if you don't, that
becomes your thing.
655
00:21:08,340 --> 00:21:08,840
Remember, it's who not how.
656
00:21:08,840 --> 00:21:09,860
So who's already got some version
657
00:21:09,860 --> 00:21:11,020
of what you want?
Go figure that out.
658
00:21:11,350 --> 00:21:12,510
Now it cuts through the noise.
659
00:21:12,510 --> 00:21:13,950
You don't have to go out there and
660
00:21:13,950 --> 00:21:15,030
search around all these things.
661
00:21:15,030 --> 00:21:16,130
You just go there.
662
00:21:16,130 --> 00:21:18,430
When you need a specific question,
then you go to YouTube.
663
00:21:18,430 --> 00:21:20,290
Or then you go to ChatGPT.
664
00:21:20,290 --> 00:21:21,570
Or then you go to whoever you
665
00:21:21,570 --> 00:21:22,270
trust, your mentor.
666
00:21:22,270 --> 00:21:25,030
Or then you go over here.
667
00:21:25,030 --> 00:21:29,470
But there's people all around you
that have these things.
668
00:21:29,570 --> 00:21:32,650
And the keys to the castle with
this full -page ad at no cost,
669
00:21:32,650 --> 00:21:37,170
zero freaking cost to get started
on all this, is sitting right in
670
00:21:37,550 --> 00:21:37,910
front of you.
671
00:21:37,970 --> 00:21:38,750
And so then it comes into your
672
00:21:38,750 --> 00:21:38,950
insecurities.
673
00:21:38,950 --> 00:21:41,790
That's why you're not doing it.
674
00:21:41,790 --> 00:21:44,230
Okay, well, insecurities costing
you a lot of freaking money, a lot
675
00:21:44,230 --> 00:21:46,830
of opportunity, and your family is
suffering.
676
00:21:46,830 --> 00:21:50,890
If any of you remember this
podcast, we did this a long time
677
00:21:50,890 --> 00:21:51,070
ago.
678
00:21:51,070 --> 00:21:52,990
This podcast brought to you by
679
00:21:52,990 --> 00:21:53,730
Pistachio Lata.
680
00:21:53,730 --> 00:21:58,430
We did this a long time ago and I
681
00:21:58,430 --> 00:21:59,590
forget the gentleman's name.
682
00:21:59,590 --> 00:22:01,030
He was interviewed and I talked to
683
00:22:01,030 --> 00:22:04,030
him after this and he's like, I
was not going to tell my kids that
684
00:22:04,030 --> 00:22:07,150
they could not, that we had to
sell our home because dad didn't
685
00:22:07,150 --> 00:22:10,970
want to make a call, a cold call.
686
00:22:11,110 --> 00:22:13,170
And it's kind of the same thing.
687
00:22:13,170 --> 00:22:17,610
There's no way I'm looking my kids
in the eye or my spouse in the eye
688
00:22:17,610 --> 00:22:22,070
and I'm going to say, we can't go
on that vacation or you can't play
689
00:22:22,550 --> 00:22:26,870
that sport or that sport because
dad doesn't want to put himself on
690
00:22:26,870 --> 00:22:28,810
Instagram or LinkedIn or whatever.
691
00:22:28,810 --> 00:22:31,050
Dad doesn't want to record a
692
00:22:31,050 --> 00:22:31,170
video.
693
00:22:31,170 --> 00:22:32,350
Dad doesn't want to spend one hour
694
00:22:32,350 --> 00:22:33,630
a day doing this, this, this,
this.
695
00:22:33,630 --> 00:22:34,610
So, yeah, sorry, guys.
696
00:22:34,610 --> 00:22:35,570
We're going to, dad's going to
697
00:22:35,570 --> 00:22:37,630
figure out some other option that
no one else is doing.
698
00:22:37,630 --> 00:22:40,090
It's funny saying that out loud
because there's so many people do
699
00:22:40,090 --> 00:22:40,390
it.
700
00:22:40,610 --> 00:22:41,230
It's so normalized now.
701
00:22:41,230 --> 00:22:43,230
Like just get over yourself now.
702
00:22:43,230 --> 00:22:45,930
This is me telling you to like
703
00:22:45,930 --> 00:22:48,610
just jump the fuck into the social
media water and it's never too
704
00:22:48,610 --> 00:22:49,030
late.
705
00:22:49,230 --> 00:22:51,870
Even five years from now it won't
706
00:22:51,870 --> 00:22:53,650
be too late.
707
00:22:53,650 --> 00:22:55,730
But I'm like your quality of life
708
00:22:55,730 --> 00:22:58,930
for the next five years won't be
as great as it could be.
709
00:22:58,930 --> 00:23:01,150
But it's like jump in now.
710
00:23:01,150 --> 00:23:03,150
Like I don't know how many other
711
00:23:03,150 --> 00:23:04,230
ways to say it.
712
00:23:04,230 --> 00:23:06,840
Or then present me with a plan.
713
00:23:06,840 --> 00:23:08,880
What's your other plan?
And usually the plan, because
714
00:23:08,880 --> 00:23:11,920
people have done this, it's
dancing around the fact that they
715
00:23:13,680 --> 00:23:15,360
don't want to be judged and that
there is rejection.
716
00:23:15,360 --> 00:23:17,660
Well, that's just sales and being
an entrepreneur.
717
00:23:17,660 --> 00:23:20,620
So if you don't, if that's going
to stop you, then you might as
718
00:23:20,620 --> 00:23:22,940
well just peace out, go get a
salary job or become an
719
00:23:22,940 --> 00:23:23,480
underwriter for someone.
720
00:23:23,480 --> 00:23:24,360
Let's go do that.
721
00:23:24,360 --> 00:23:25,320
You need rejection, right?
You need that.
722
00:23:25,520 --> 00:23:27,080
That's coming no matter what we do
here.
723
00:23:27,080 --> 00:23:29,380
So I wanted to share this.
724
00:23:29,380 --> 00:23:30,700
This went a little longer than I
725
00:23:30,700 --> 00:23:31,540
was hoping, but I apologize.
726
00:23:31,540 --> 00:23:32,840
So are you going to broker like
727
00:23:32,840 --> 00:23:35,500
it's 2009 or are you going to
broker like it's 2026?
728
00:23:35,500 --> 00:23:38,300
Who are you?
What are you doing?
729
00:23:38,300 --> 00:23:41,940
What's your identity?
What are you hanging your hat on?
730
00:23:41,940 --> 00:23:45,840
What are you saying when you wake
up and you go, this week, I'm
731
00:23:45,840 --> 00:23:47,200
going to crush my social media.
732
00:23:47,200 --> 00:23:51,200
I'm going to build my brand.
733
00:23:51,260 --> 00:23:54,580
I'm going to put out a video a
day, three stories a day, 10 opens
734
00:23:54,580 --> 00:23:54,940
a day.
735
00:23:54,940 --> 00:23:58,500
Like that right there is the
736
00:23:58,500 --> 00:23:59,800
blueprint for a very nice
business.
737
00:23:59,800 --> 00:24:01,640
And it just keeps going and going
and going.
738
00:24:01,640 --> 00:24:03,180
And I've seen it happen.
739
00:24:03,180 --> 00:24:05,340
It's happening all around me.
740
00:24:05,340 --> 00:24:08,360
I have a front row seat to many,
many people that where this is
741
00:24:08,360 --> 00:24:11,160
just like, oh, and they're like,
yeah, you're right.
742
00:24:11,160 --> 00:24:11,720
Yeah, I'm making money now.
743
00:24:11,720 --> 00:24:13,560
Yeah, you're right.
744
00:24:13,560 --> 00:24:14,780
Oh, I like going to work now.
745
00:24:14,780 --> 00:24:15,680
Yeah, I just needed an
746
00:24:15,680 --> 00:24:15,780
environment.
747
00:24:15,780 --> 00:24:16,240
I needed help.
748
00:24:16,240 --> 00:24:16,580
I needed support.
749
00:24:17,740 --> 00:24:18,600
Yeah, I'm doing it.
750
00:24:18,600 --> 00:24:20,180
It's like, ah, there you go.
751
00:24:20,180 --> 00:24:20,920
So what's your plan?
752
00:24:20,920 --> 00:24:22,900
What the fuck is your plan?
That's what I'm asking.
753
00:24:22,900 --> 00:24:26,540
Act as if I'm that other person
that you have to answer to in your
754
00:24:26,800 --> 00:24:29,500
life and they're coming at you
going, okay, don't see the money.
755
00:24:29,500 --> 00:24:30,780
You don't seem happy.
756
00:24:30,780 --> 00:24:34,420
So why are we doing this?
757
00:24:34,420 --> 00:24:37,240
Like, what are we doing here?
It's kind of like my kids.
758
00:24:37,240 --> 00:24:38,260
I'd be like, oh, shut that shit
down.
759
00:24:38,260 --> 00:24:42,520
Like, if you're not, if I have to
get you out of bed to go play
760
00:24:42,860 --> 00:24:47,700
sports, if I have to get you out
of bed at six in the morning, drag
761
00:24:47,700 --> 00:24:50,420
your ass out to go soccer practice
before school, no bueno.
762
00:24:50,540 --> 00:24:50,980
We're not doing this.
763
00:24:50,980 --> 00:24:51,640
If I have to.
764
00:24:51,640 --> 00:24:56,320
tell you to go try your hardest
and try and don't stop trying.
765
00:24:56,320 --> 00:24:57,720
We're not doing this.
766
00:24:57,720 --> 00:24:59,940
Like it takes two to tango here.
767
00:24:59,940 --> 00:25:02,780
So like, what are you doing?
Why aren't you leaving it all on
768
00:25:02,780 --> 00:25:05,960
the floor, on the court, on the
whatever, the field?
769
00:25:05,960 --> 00:25:08,240
Like, what are you doing?
Like at some point you just have
770
00:25:08,240 --> 00:25:10,840
to look in the mirror and go, what
am I doing?
771
00:25:11,000 --> 00:25:11,340
And I'm just here.
772
00:25:11,340 --> 00:25:12,420
Eventually you always have to
773
00:25:12,560 --> 00:25:14,220
trust or believe in somebody or
something.
774
00:25:14,220 --> 00:25:16,980
And I'm here saying social will
solve, lead solve all your
775
00:25:16,980 --> 00:25:18,080
problems in your business.
776
00:25:18,510 --> 00:25:18,950
They solve.
777
00:25:18,950 --> 00:25:20,310
majority of your problems.
778
00:25:20,310 --> 00:25:21,450
More leads, more leads, more
779
00:25:21,450 --> 00:25:21,630
leads.
780
00:25:21,630 --> 00:25:22,870
It hides weaknesses in your
781
00:25:22,870 --> 00:25:24,090
business because you'll never
solve all the weaknesses.
782
00:25:24,090 --> 00:25:26,810
It masks them though, right?
If your client journey sucks,
783
00:25:26,810 --> 00:25:27,150
doesn't matter.
784
00:25:27,270 --> 00:25:29,190
If that client doesn't return,
785
00:25:29,390 --> 00:25:29,870
doesn't matter.
786
00:25:30,050 --> 00:25:32,570
If you're not a great broker and
787
00:25:32,570 --> 00:25:33,390
gave bad advice, doesn't matter.
788
00:25:33,390 --> 00:25:34,450
Because if you have a hundred
789
00:25:34,450 --> 00:25:37,130
leads coming in the pipeline that
week or that month, those problems
790
00:25:37,130 --> 00:25:37,470
go away.
791
00:25:37,610 --> 00:25:39,270
You get more swings.
792
00:25:39,270 --> 00:25:42,170
You get more swings in the batting
cage.
793
00:25:42,170 --> 00:25:43,670
You get more opportunity.
794
00:25:43,670 --> 00:25:45,840
I'm not saying that's the great
795
00:25:45,840 --> 00:25:48,540
way to do it, but I go, if you
just solve that one problem, it
796
00:25:48,540 --> 00:25:49,980
solves 10 other problems of yours.
797
00:25:49,980 --> 00:25:52,020
You don't need all this other
798
00:25:52,220 --> 00:25:52,960
stuff going along.
799
00:25:52,960 --> 00:25:56,580
If you had it, it'd be great and
800
00:25:56,660 --> 00:25:58,220
it'll help you, but you don't need
it.
801
00:25:58,220 --> 00:25:59,140
You want it, but you don't need
it.
802
00:25:59,220 --> 00:26:01,680
More leads, more leads, more leads
will always win.
803
00:26:01,680 --> 00:26:03,140
So what are you doing?
How are you going to go get more
804
00:26:03,140 --> 00:26:04,960
leads?
And why aren't you doing it?
805
00:26:04,960 --> 00:26:06,440
Like these are real questions you
should be asking yourself.
806
00:26:06,440 --> 00:26:08,640
Like seriously, like you have one
life to live here.
807
00:26:08,640 --> 00:26:10,440
You have one thing.
808
00:26:10,720 --> 00:26:12,560
You have people relying on you.
809
00:26:12,560 --> 00:26:14,140
You want to do other things in
life.
810
00:26:14,140 --> 00:26:15,880
You thought you'd be further
along.
811
00:26:15,880 --> 00:26:19,580
You have all these hopes and
dreams and aspirations and blah,
812
00:26:19,580 --> 00:26:19,760
blah.
813
00:26:19,760 --> 00:26:21,280
And like, so why?
814
00:26:21,280 --> 00:26:24,680
What is stopping you?
The social is the gateway to all
815
00:26:24,680 --> 00:26:24,980
of that.
816
00:26:24,980 --> 00:26:25,740
All of it.
817
00:26:25,740 --> 00:26:28,400
Just coming from someone who's
experiencing it right now.
818
00:26:28,460 --> 00:26:28,980
living it live.
819
00:26:28,980 --> 00:26:29,300
Okay.
820
00:26:29,840 --> 00:26:30,480
That's it, kids.
821
00:26:30,480 --> 00:26:31,340
I'm going to finish this latte.
822
00:26:31,340 --> 00:26:32,100
Get it extra hot, by the way.
823
00:26:32,100 --> 00:26:33,660
That's a little hack for you.
824
00:26:33,780 --> 00:26:35,600
That's your, maybe that's more
important than the mortgage act.
825
00:26:35,600 --> 00:26:37,280
Get your lattes extra hot.
826
00:26:37,280 --> 00:26:38,480
They last longer.
827
00:26:38,480 --> 00:26:38,980
Go figure.
828
00:26:39,180 --> 00:26:40,200
And they have decaf.
829
00:26:40,200 --> 00:26:40,800
That's it, kids.
830
00:26:40,800 --> 00:26:42,420
Much love.
831
00:26:42,420 --> 00:26:43,950
I appreciate the support.
832
00:26:43,950 --> 00:26:46,730
Catch you next week.
833
00:26:46,730 --> 00:26:47,470
Peace out.
834
00:26:47,470 --> 00:26:47,910
네.






