June 26, 2025

276: What I'd Do If I Had to Start Over in 2025

276: What I'd Do If I Had to Start Over in 2025
276: What I'd Do If I Had to Start Over in 2025
The Mortgage Game
276: What I'd Do If I Had to Start Over in 2025

In this episode, I share how I would approach mortgage brokering in 2025, building a direct-to-consumer mortgage business and moving away from traditional realtor-dependent models. I outline a comprehensive marketing strategy that includes social media engagement, content creation, and webinars to educate potential clients.

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Welcome to the mortgage game.

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I truly, truly believe that

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building a mortgage business, a
successful one, is like playing a

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game.

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There's winners, there's losers,

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there's certain things you try.

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Some of us are playing checkers,

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while others are playing chess.

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I've had the ability to coach and

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mentor hundreds of mortgage
brokers.

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I myself built a very nice
business, so now I want to distill

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all that information, all the
things I've learned from that, and

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bring it directly to you in a
simple -to -understand way.

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I hope you enjoy.

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All right, welcome to the Mortgage

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Game Podcast.

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West Coast, whiteboard, Wiley in

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the house.

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Okay, let's just get into it.

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I'm doing an evening podcast.

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Yeah, it's 7 .09 and I'm down by

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the beach because I'm like, yeah,
I have stuff to talk about.

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So this is going to be, I get
asked this question all the time

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and I'm going to run through.

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This would be obviously way better

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if this is like a YouTube video
and I'm mapping things out for

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you.

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And I'll probably end up doing

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that.

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But you can stop and start this.

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I'm going to be as detailed as I
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But I get to ask this question all
the time.

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Ryan, if you went back into
brokering, what would you do right

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now in today's day and age?
June 2025, how would you build

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your business?
And I have extreme clarity on what

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I would do.

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I can see all the angles.

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I can see where people are fucking
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I can see who's doing well.

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I can see the future that's

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coming.

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I can see, you know, taking pieces

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of what I did in the past with
what I've coached and taught other

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people with people who've run with
stuff, made mistakes, tweak some

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things here and there.

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I have like extreme clarity.

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So I'm going to walk you through
my model and I'm actually going to

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be teaching this.

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And tomorrow morning, that's why

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it's fresh in my mind.

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I have a bootcamp.

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It's a second Ava bootcamp and I'm
showing other people how to the

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marketing plan around rental cash
damming.

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But would I do rental cash
damming?

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Absolutely not.

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It's not my jam.

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Wouldn't do it.

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It's shooting fish in a barrel.

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You have unlimited opportunities.

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You'll never get grinded on rates.

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You can go charge fees, but it's
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So I just have to turn on.

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I got to air this place out a

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little.

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Okay.

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Okay.

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So I'm going to walk you through

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some things.

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I'm just going to get into it

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because this will probably be, I
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something like that.

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I'll be as detailed as I can.

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Okay.

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So the avatar, you've heard me

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talk about this.

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The avatar I would serve, I want

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direct consumer model.

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I want direct consumer marketing.

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I do not want to rely on dumb,
dumb realtors.

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I do not want to rely on referral
partners for very... obvious

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reasons.

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If I already have some in my

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circle, sure, I'll lean into them.

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I'm not going to ignore them.

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I'll still build relationships
with them, but I'm not putting

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energy into prospecting new
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Some are going to come into my
world and I will let them come

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into my world, but they're going
to come to me.

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The dynamic is going to be
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Instead of me going, hey, you got
any deals for me today?

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It's going to be, they're going to
be like, Ryan, how do I get

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involved doing this stuff?
And I'll be like, I don't know.

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I'll let you know.

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And so I'm going to have a direct

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consumer model.

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My avatar is going to be

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homeowners who own a home.

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And yeah, that's what homeowners

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means, Ryan.

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So homeowners with equity who have

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jobs and good credit, but have a
cash flow crunch problem who want

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to reduce their payments or who
want to pay off their mortgage

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faster or want to stop having to
try and decide.

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if they are saving for their
future.

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Too many people are telling us,
save your future.

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It's like, shit, man, I got a life
to live right now.

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I have memories and things to
create with my children right now

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that everyone's like, put money
aside and say, yeah, I get that.

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But people are working longer now
than they ever have.

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People are living longer than they
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You're going to have to work
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I also want to enjoy my life
today.

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And so a lot of people are cash
crunched.

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And they're just grinding away in
the meat grinder.

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Enter GTA.

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It's like the whole GTA is just

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people grinding away, working
their asses off to buy things they

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shouldn't be buying.

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That's why we left the GTA.

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And it's that mentality.

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But there's so many people doing

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that, working two jobs
potentially, working two spouses,

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working two household incomes, or
one person working two jobs, and

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just flying through life without
stopping and smelling the roses.

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And so my whole thing would be,
let's...

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Spend time with your kids now and
enjoy life.

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That means building out your
backyard for memories.

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That means getting that camper.

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It means going on those trips.

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It means getting the cottage,
whatever that is.

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But also building for the future.

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Just not putting all our eggs in

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one basket or the other.

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Okay, so that's the mentality.

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That's my avatar I'm going to go
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And I'm going to hit them through
social media.

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Okay, it's going to be, I also
have a database, which I'm going

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to nurture on a term, but it's
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So I'm going to make content only
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The only type of content, 70 % of
the content I make will be to that

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avatar.

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20 % will be more generic mortgage

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stuff that interests me.

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I'm not going to talk about first

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-time homebuyers because I don't
want that energy.

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I really would be happy if I never
did another purchase again because

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there's just so many things that
come with it.

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So many cooks in the kitchen, so
much competition against banks and

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retargeting.

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them in the peanut gallery and co

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-signers.

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And then you got the realtors in

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there who always have their agenda
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potentially take the client away.

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I want no competition.

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I want a headstart on competition
with refinances.

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I want to reach out to people who
did not know they needed me.

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And I want to tell them a story
from a different angle.

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I built my mortgage business doing
this, showing people how to buy

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their first investment property.

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Everyone's one property away.

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from changing their lives.

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That was my thing.

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So I'm going to do this, but it's
going to be around debt swap,

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power of the paycheck, and debt
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Those three strategies, just
restructuring the debt, getting

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smarter with the debt.

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That's my goal here, to optimize

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that and tell stories.

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And so I'm going to create social

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media.

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I'm going to do minimum three

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reels.

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If I'm going all in person, I'm

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doing minimum one a day.

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And I'll batch it out.

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But I'm saying for the average
person, go do three, but I'm going

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to do seven.

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I'm just going to pump out the

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content.

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I'm going to do seven across three

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platforms.

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I'll hit LinkedIn, Facebook, and

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Instagram.

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Those are the three platforms I

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want.

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I don't want the wide reach on

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TikTok.

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And my avatars are sitting on

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LinkedIn, just sitting there.

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Decision makers, white collar

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professionals who make money.

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That's my avatar.

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That's who I want.

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A lender, A lender, A lender.

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And so I'm going to pump out one
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I'm going to batch it out with one
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I'll batch out all my stuff for
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three stories a day.

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That's my content.

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Okay.

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I'm going to push people every

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three, four videos.

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I'm going to push them into a lead

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magnet.

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Go, Hey, if you mentioned cashflow

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below, you're going to get my
guide where I break down on Tom

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and Sally, who were working two
jobs, how they completely changed

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their lives with one move, got
smarter with restructuring their

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debt.

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And now they're, you know, built

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their backyard, put a pool in, and
now they have money putting aside

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for retirement because they're
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If you want to get that guide,
comment cashflow below.

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I'll have many chat, which I did
on my last podcast.

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which will click in the automated
follow -up.

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You'll get them in exchange for
their email address.

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I will give them my lead magnet.

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And then I'll have inside

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ManyChat, I'll have some voice
memos built into the follow -up.

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So a day or two days later,
there'll be a voice memo.

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Hey, did you get the guide?
Was there anything interesting in

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there?
And blah, blah, blah.

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Okay.

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Once they want to book a call with

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me, they're going to have to go
through a type form.

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They're going to have to be
qualified.

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So they're going to come into my
world at some point, they're going

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to either through the lead magnet,
there'll be a link to get on my

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calendar, or they're going to be
put on my email list, which

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they're going to get nurtured with
only those situations,

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restructuring debt, speaking to
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They're going to get nurtured
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and value, value, value, ask
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So three value emails, one ask.

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And in there, when they click the

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link to book a call, it's going to
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If they don't own a home, they
don't make it to the next step.

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If they own a home and there's not
enough equity, they don't make it

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to the next step.

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I'm going to be pumping out so

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much content and I'm going to be
talking to so many people about

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this.

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I'm going to have to build filters

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in.

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So that's part of the filter I'm

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going to build in.

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Okay, so here's the kicker.

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I'm also going to have a webinar.

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Man, it's hot in here.

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I got to turn this vehicle on.

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Apologize here.

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I realize it's muggy here.

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25 above.

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That's not too bad.

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But okay, I got to put some heat

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on.

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We're just going to have to deal

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with that.

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Here we go.

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Okay, we're good.

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Okay, so I'm going to have a

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webinar.

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And this is because I had a

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webinar model before.

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It works brilliant.

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People would come to me and go,
hey, Ryan, how do I get mortgage

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-free faster?
And I'm like, cool.

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So you're telling me that your
goal in life is to be mortgage

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-free as fast as humanly possible.

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They're like, yes.

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I'm like, go to
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com or
ca because I had both the URLs.

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I don't anymore.

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Go there and watch that thing.

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It's an hour webinar.

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When you're done, if you're still

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interested, book the call.

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There'll be a link to book a call

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on my calendar, and then we'll
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This is because I don't want to
educate.

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people about my strategies on a
one -to -one.

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I can't do that.

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I need to educate through social

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media, lead magnets, email
marketing, and webinars one -to

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-men.

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And then when they come into my

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world, I'll have a system built
where I'll quickly decide if

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they're my people, and then I will
build them custom proposals based

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on their situation and the advice
and the strategy and the product I

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can put them in after I have a
full application in Docs.

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Okay.

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But I'm going to have this webinar

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and the webinar is going to be
about 30 minutes.

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I'm going to break down examples
of each of those three buckets of

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people.

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I'm going to go, do you fit in one

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of these buckets?
If you do, we need to talk and I

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can help.

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And I'm going to break down all

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the objections they're going to
have.

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And I'm like, I did this for my
One Property Away webinar.

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And this is what fed my mortgage
business.

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Because then if anyone, if I talk
to the guy fixing my fence, he's

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like, what do you do?
I'm a mortgage broker.

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I show people how to pay off their
home in 10 years.

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He's like, how the heck do I do
that?

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I'm like, go to
mortgagefreein10years .com.

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Watch the video.

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He's like, oh my God.

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Ended up doing a refi and a
purchase for him on a rental.

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So I'm going to let the webinar do
the work.

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So when you go to my link tree,
and I'm talking fast here.

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I'm like, just humming out this
business plan.

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Because it's top of mind.

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I've been working on it.

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When you go to my link tree,
there's only going to be so many

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options.

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I'll have a podcast just like

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this, where I talk about
grassroots stuff, about how I help

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people, myths about finances, what
most people get wrong, the

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mentality around, I've framed some
stories around the emotional

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aspect of people get too tied in
and the old way of banking versus

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the new way of banking and some
strategy I talk about.

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And I'll just keep doing.

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There'll be short podcasts that

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are easy to consume because I can
do these while I'm driving.

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I can do them in my downtime.

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And it's going to resonate with

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people.

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And so I'll have the podcast.

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That'll be an avenue.

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And I'll do that once a week.

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We'll do the podcast out.

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I'll call it.

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I don't know what I'll call it,
but figure something out.

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I'll have short form content.

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I won't do long form YouTube.

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I would love to, but my head isn't
there wrapped in that space.

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That would be the, that would be
the all -star thing to do is build

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out a YouTube channel, but I can
get there with shorts and I'll

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just bash my content out.

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Okay.

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So I'll have short form.

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content building on Facebook,

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LinkedIn, and Facebook, Instagram,
LinkedIn, with all my call to

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action styled in.

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And then anytime someone follows

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me, they get an instant voice
memo, or not instant, but they'll

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get a voice memo from me, thanking
them for the follow, and asking

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them, are they here for the
content?

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Or do they need help?
That kind of stuff.

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And then eventually, when I get
into prospecting mode, if I need

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to, which I already know I won't.

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But if I need to get in to throw

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gas in the fire with prospecting,
I would then go and prospect the

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people watching my content.

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And trust me when I say this,

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referral partners are going to
come out of the woodwork because

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they're going to respect the
brand.

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They're going to respect the
hustle.

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They're going to respect the
consistency.

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Certain people are going to vibe
with my energy and the way I

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present things and my personality.

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And they're going to want to come

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into my world and they're going to
want to partner with me.

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And that's how I'm going to get
referral partners.

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I'm not going to have to worry
about referral partners, but I'm

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going to go build the direct to
consumer model first because I

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have full control of everything.

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So between my email marketing

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going out, the webinar that's
going to be on my link tree, it'll

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be in my email signature.

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The webinar is going to be

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everywhere.

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It's going to be a recorded

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webinar.

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I've done live ones.

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People don't want to wait three
days to come to the thing for the

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thing where they can just go to
the recorded one.

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As soon as they opt in, they have
to put their email address in,

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which will trigger the drip
campaign, which is going to be

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going out weekly, showing all the
tips, tricks, strategies, and

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stories about debt console, debt
swap, and power the paycheck.

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So that's my model.

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And that model will be all I do.

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And I'm telling you right now, it
would fucking kick ass.

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I've lived a model of that already
with not a lot of those parts

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involved.

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And I'm looking at things from

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like I'm up in space looking at
the world and I can see this tiny

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world.

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It doesn't look complicated to me.

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I can see everything and I'm like,
oh, look at all those people down

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there.

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I can't really see the people, but

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I'm like, this is OK.

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I see everything.

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I can see the angles.

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I can see the mountains and the

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ocean.

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I can see I can see it all right

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now.

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And that model I just laid out for

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you, your version of that model
is.

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what I recommend you do.

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Now, that might sound like a lot

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what I put out there, but it's
not.

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You can chunk it down, right?
Your social is, you have to figure

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out what your avatar is and you
reverse engineer it.

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And the webinar, promise you, that
webinar now is me not explaining

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all those strategies, which are
pretty easy strategies, but the

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man one product could be a little
complicated for a lot of people.

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I don't have to explain it.

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all the time.

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So I always deflect to, hey, are
you okay?

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Go watch the webinar.

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I break down the debt swap.

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So I'm not educating these people
all the time because too many

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brokers are spending so much time
giving free advice and educating

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people without zero commitment.

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And I will never, ever do that.

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I will go, did you watch the
video?

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Cool.

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What questions do you have about

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it?
Awesome.

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Yes.

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Tell me these five things about

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you.

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These seven things of value.

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Okay, based on what you told me, I
will be able to do X, Y, and Z for

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you in that range.

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If you're interested, now I need a

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full application.

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Now I need full income docs.

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I need your credit card for an
appraisal.

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And there you go.

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If you commit to those three

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things, then I will build you the
custom proposal showing you all

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the moving parts, and I will hold
your hand and execute this for

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you.

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And I'm always talking about the

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outcome.

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I'm not even getting into the

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certain nuggets of the strategy.

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I'm always talking about, I will

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deliver that basement suite, or I
will deliver that backyard for

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you, or I will increase your
cashflow by $900 a month.

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And I'll show you how to take half
of that and put it into an

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investment.

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We write off the interest and we

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take the refunds and we put that
back against, and that's the debt

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swapping, right?
So that's the model.

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the model.

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I honestly don't, I could see

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someone doing that model, but for
reverse mortgages, totally better.

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Yep.

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I think there's a whole thing

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where you could build around
reverse mortgages.

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And here's the cool part.

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Reverse mortgages, when you go

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with, I think it's Bloom and maybe
Equitable, and maybe there's

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another one company in there,
starts with an F, I can't

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remember.

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They have, I don't know if it's

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still the same here, but they used
to pay 175 basis points for a

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reverse mortgage, but you did all
the work.

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Or you could literally hand them
an email and a phone number.

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And I went and cracked their
funnel hack, they call it, hacked

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their system, where I go down
putting in all the information.

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And someone called me within one
minute, their sales team.

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And they were on the ball.

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I was like, oh, my God.

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I give them an email and a phone
number, and their sales team jumps

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in, and they pay me 100, 120 basis
points.

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It's in that range.

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So without doing any of the work,

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any of the fulfillment, any of the
discovery calls, anything.

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that same model I'm talking about
could be that all you could ever

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talk about the rest of your career
is reverse mortgages.

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And you have a built in
fulfillment and underwriting team.

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And you just go and get the work
going, get the emails, nurture

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them with a drip campaign, nurture
them with drip, nurture them with

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a webinar.

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And then you when they're

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interested, they put their hand
up, you push them over to the

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sales team.

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And then I know people that did

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this, and they're making three,
four or $500 ,000 a year, just

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pushing leads over to those
companies.

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And then what they did was They
would swap out one time it was

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Bloom, there's the next company,
there's the next company, they had

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better specials.

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So they would just hand the leads

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off to them depending on how many
basis points they were paying and

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what the setup was there.

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But that's the model.

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I would build a brand around
restructuring your debt, only

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working with A types of clients,
all around educating through a

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webinar, one -to -many education,
all the angles.

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And I would give limited
information up front.

502
00:16:06,910 --> 00:16:09,370
I'm going to do the discovery
call.

503
00:16:09,370 --> 00:16:11,330
Eventually, I'll pull myself off
the discovery call and have

504
00:16:11,330 --> 00:16:11,750
someone else.

505
00:16:11,750 --> 00:16:15,730
And I will just build content, the

506
00:16:15,730 --> 00:16:17,230
marketing, the content, the
webinar, and handle referral

507
00:16:17,230 --> 00:16:18,470
relationships if it gets to that
part.

508
00:16:18,470 --> 00:16:20,670
And that's eventually what I would
do.

509
00:16:20,670 --> 00:16:25,390
And I would have a team doing the
upfront call and I would have a

510
00:16:25,390 --> 00:16:25,950
team running fulfillment.

511
00:16:25,950 --> 00:16:27,490
And we wouldn't really need an

512
00:16:27,490 --> 00:16:29,050
underwriter because the
fulfillment would be licensed and

513
00:16:29,050 --> 00:16:31,970
they know the guidelines from the
three, four lenders that we use.

514
00:16:31,970 --> 00:16:34,730
So that's like a revamped model on
what I already did years ago, but

515
00:16:34,730 --> 00:16:37,490
that's a way better model now
because I had a lot of automation

516
00:16:37,490 --> 00:16:40,450
built in and a lot of follow -up
with those lead magnets and

517
00:16:40,450 --> 00:16:41,850
education points and social media.

518
00:16:41,850 --> 00:16:43,200
I never used social media.

519
00:16:43,200 --> 00:16:44,780
And so I'm seeing this so freaking
clearly.

520
00:16:45,040 --> 00:16:46,400
And so this is the stuff I'm
training on.

521
00:16:46,480 --> 00:16:48,160
This is stuff we're talking about
on Team Highway.

522
00:16:48,160 --> 00:16:49,200
We're doing many chat training
this Friday.

523
00:16:49,200 --> 00:16:51,180
where we're building lead magnets
and automation into everybody,

524
00:16:51,180 --> 00:16:53,580
anyone on the team who wants it.

525
00:16:54,180 --> 00:16:56,260
And then we have a social 30

526
00:16:56,260 --> 00:17:01,220
challenge starting, a 30 -day
sprint where we're going to

527
00:17:01,220 --> 00:17:06,540
identify your avatar is, and we're
going to make content for 30

528
00:17:06,540 --> 00:17:10,210
straight days only to that avatar
with the ManyChat automation kick

529
00:17:10,210 --> 00:17:10,609
in.

530
00:17:10,609 --> 00:17:11,670
And guess what?

531
00:17:11,849 --> 00:17:14,650
When they go into that, then we
zap it into their master drip,

532
00:17:14,650 --> 00:17:16,829
which we already have built out
with the sales drip.

533
00:17:16,829 --> 00:17:22,770
So we're starting to build these
pieces for agents on the team, and

534
00:17:22,770 --> 00:17:24,250
we're doing it together.

535
00:17:24,250 --> 00:17:25,250
This is why I'm so excited.

536
00:17:25,250 --> 00:17:27,230
I'm teaching a version of this
tomorrow morning, but it's around

537
00:17:27,230 --> 00:17:29,090
cash damming, which is not my
passion.

538
00:17:29,090 --> 00:17:32,170
What I just went over was my
passion because I only want to be

539
00:17:32,170 --> 00:17:33,350
so involved.

540
00:17:33,350 --> 00:17:34,690
But yeah, there you go.

541
00:17:34,690 --> 00:17:35,230
That's my model.

542
00:17:35,230 --> 00:17:37,310
So for those asking, what would

543
00:17:37,310 --> 00:17:39,260
you do, Ryan?
That's it right there.

544
00:17:39,260 --> 00:17:43,440
Wouldn't it be glorious to have
$500 ,000, $800 ,000 mortgages,

545
00:17:43,440 --> 00:17:45,140
refinance?
People didn't even know they

546
00:17:45,140 --> 00:17:48,800
needed you until you popped in
their world and they got slowly

547
00:17:48,800 --> 00:17:49,720
indoctrinated through all your
marketing and education.

548
00:17:49,720 --> 00:17:50,980
And then you're not up against
competition.

549
00:17:50,980 --> 00:17:52,960
So you're not competing there.

550
00:17:53,100 --> 00:17:54,040
You're not buying down rate.

551
00:17:54,280 --> 00:17:56,420
You work with the same three, four
lenders.

552
00:17:56,420 --> 00:17:58,640
It's shooting fish in a bucket.

553
00:17:58,640 --> 00:17:59,960
And I'm making content about what

554
00:17:59,960 --> 00:18:03,820
I want to talk about, which is
those strategies and how I can

555
00:18:03,820 --> 00:18:04,680
stand out.

556
00:18:05,210 --> 00:18:06,930
I just keep showing people things.

557
00:18:06,930 --> 00:18:10,830
I just keep showing them where
people were and where I got them.

558
00:18:10,830 --> 00:18:12,070
And sometimes I throw in, you
know.

559
00:18:12,070 --> 00:18:14,730
A little explanation here about
this strategy or that strategy.

560
00:18:14,730 --> 00:18:18,070
And, you know, this is the problem
they have and your world's, you're

561
00:18:18,070 --> 00:18:20,090
closer to changing your problems
than you realize.

562
00:18:20,090 --> 00:18:23,070
And I use ChatGBT to help build
out a lot of that stuff, the

563
00:18:23,190 --> 00:18:25,450
framework, and then it's up to me
to record it and just get better

564
00:18:25,450 --> 00:18:28,130
and better on camera and keep
coming up with different green

565
00:18:28,130 --> 00:18:30,130
screen, talking head ideas and
different types of content.

566
00:18:30,130 --> 00:18:32,900
And so that's where my energy
would be spent, would be building

567
00:18:32,900 --> 00:18:35,940
the brand and the content to just
hit people from different angles.

568
00:18:35,940 --> 00:18:37,480
And here's the cool part.

569
00:18:37,480 --> 00:18:38,800
I go do that.

570
00:18:38,800 --> 00:18:44,040
And I only make content to my
avatar and 10 % about me and my

571
00:18:44,040 --> 00:18:46,340
personality and hobbies and 20 %
of more generic stuff I want to

572
00:18:46,340 --> 00:18:46,520
talk about.

573
00:18:46,520 --> 00:18:48,860
If I only do that, the AI built

574
00:18:48,860 --> 00:18:53,040
into Instagram, LinkedIn, and
Facebook will go and find my

575
00:18:53,240 --> 00:18:55,100
people for me.

576
00:18:55,100 --> 00:18:56,080
They'll bring them to me.

577
00:18:56,080 --> 00:18:57,700
I don't need 18 ,000 followers.

578
00:18:57,700 --> 00:19:00,200
I could have a thousand followers

579
00:19:00,200 --> 00:19:00,840
and crush it.

580
00:19:00,840 --> 00:19:02,220
Absolutely crush it.

581
00:19:02,220 --> 00:19:03,680
So that's a $100 million mortgage
business.

582
00:19:04,060 --> 00:19:06,920
It's a matter of how much do I
want to work.

583
00:19:07,060 --> 00:19:07,520
So that's the model.

584
00:19:07,520 --> 00:19:09,300
We're building and training on

585
00:19:09,300 --> 00:19:10,100
pieces of that.

586
00:19:10,100 --> 00:19:12,300
But I want to share that with you

587
00:19:12,300 --> 00:19:13,400
because that's where I'm at right
now.

588
00:19:13,400 --> 00:19:15,740
And this is what we're doing.

589
00:19:15,740 --> 00:19:16,740
And it's never been more clear

590
00:19:16,740 --> 00:19:17,440
than that.

591
00:19:17,440 --> 00:19:19,100
So I talked really fast there.

592
00:19:19,100 --> 00:19:22,500
I could have slowed down and
turned this in from a 20 minute to

593
00:19:22,600 --> 00:19:24,900
a 30 minute podcast, but I didn't.

594
00:19:24,900 --> 00:19:25,860
I went really fast.

595
00:19:25,860 --> 00:19:28,640
They usually don't talk that fast,
at least not for the whole time.

596
00:19:28,640 --> 00:19:32,260
So I apologize if I went too fast,
but there, I saved you some time

597
00:19:32,260 --> 00:19:32,840
of your day.

598
00:19:32,840 --> 00:19:33,360
So that's it, kids.

599
00:19:33,360 --> 00:19:34,880
That's my, what if Ryan was
brokering in 2025?

600
00:19:34,880 --> 00:19:35,080
marketing plan.

601
00:19:35,080 --> 00:19:36,500
And I there's no option for that

602
00:19:36,500 --> 00:19:36,780
to fail.

603
00:19:36,780 --> 00:19:38,320
I just that will not fail.

604
00:19:38,320 --> 00:19:39,740
There's zero chance that fails.

605
00:19:39,740 --> 00:19:43,100
That will make a lot of money that

606
00:19:43,100 --> 00:19:44,160
model I just laid out.

607
00:19:44,160 --> 00:19:45,220
So there you go, kids.

608
00:19:45,220 --> 00:19:47,980
Okay, hopefully that helps you
hope for that means something to

609
00:19:47,980 --> 00:19:48,180
you.

610
00:19:48,180 --> 00:19:49,300
Till next time.

611
00:19:49,300 --> 00:19:49,920
Peace out, kids.

612
00:19:49,920 --> 00:19:50,200
Bye.